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FW: 风险投资败走IPO的三大原因
    2010年和2011年间,在上市前阶段的互联网公司中,最被风险投资家看好的是通常所谓的互联网“四骑士”: Facebook、社交游戏公司Zynga、团购网站Groupon和Twitter。 这么说吧,他们无比热衷于投资这些公司,甚至不惜做出了一些前所未有的疯狂举动:从二级市场购买普通股,接受数十亿美元的超高估值,开出巨额支票。

    目前,Facebook 已经成功上市,我们再来看看四骑士中另外两个上市公司Zynga (ZNGA) 和Groupon (GRPN) 的股票表现。

•     Zynga: Zynga的生意火爆之前,前几轮风险投资募集的资金相当有限。而随着收入迅猛增长,股票的估值也直冲云霄。2010年,Zynga以每股6.44美元的价格募集了3亿美元。到了2011年,Zynga募集另外5亿美元时的价格就高达每股约14美元。这几轮的投资者包括风投基金、公共基金、投行和战略投资者。目前Zynga股票价格略高于每股7美元。很明显,2010和2011年的风投投资者所期望的并不是这个价格。他们的8亿美元投资基本上没有获得回报,甚至赔本。

•     Groupon: Groupon在2010年以接近每股2.7美元的价格募集了约1.35亿美元。然后在2011年,Groupon募集了打破风投纪录的9.5亿美元,股价约7.9美元。目前股价在每股11-12美元间震荡,所以2010年投资者都获得了可观的回报,而2011年的投资者回报不足50%。此外,锁定期还未结束。如果投资者争相套利,导致股价下滑,2011年那个巨额轮次的回报还可能更加难看。

    很显然Zynga 和Groupon都是了不起的公司:他们开拓新市场并占据了巨大的份额,收入以惊人的速度增长。然而,最后几轮的风险投资并没有获得预期的成功。原因何在?

    1. 看低成长。通常而言,风投特别看重增长率,增长越快越好。风投最大的回报都来自那些成长为大型企业的公司,而只有快速成长的公司才能迅速壮大。因此,只要看到创业公司快速成长的可能,风投从来不会在乎价格。公众投资者也喜欢成长型公司。但由于其接触的公司通常已经处于生命周期的后期,他们已经习惯认为,由于大数定律的作用,即使是处于快速成长期的公司,其成长也会随着时间推移而减弱。按照他们的经验法则,其它条件相当时,相对于增长率50%的公司,公众投资者并不会给予100%增长率的公司更高倍数的估值。他们预期两个公司的增长率都会随着时间推移而降低并最终相等,所以他们不愿为一时的极端成长额外掏钱。
   2. 盈利率问题。多数快速成长的公司早期并不盈利,而没有盈利,就无法计算市盈率。没有市盈率时,风投通常参考市销率。公众投资者也会这么做,而且有很多证据表明他们并不认为早期盈利企业更值钱。虽然如此,公众投资者最终还是希望看到盈利,特别的,他们愿意为长期盈利率扩大的公司付出高价。然而证明盈利率扩张是需要时间的,通常比风投积极参与公司的时间要长。Zynga和Groupon 都显示了某种形式的盈利能力,但盈利率扩张能力并没有得到验证,所以公众投资者不愿给公司开出高价。

    3. 商业模式之惑。风投支持的公司中最快速成长的那些通常都会有新的商业模式。Groupon的运营方式太新,以至于它试图创造一项全新的指标,来帮助投资者理解公司内部如何度量业绩。Zynga则是首家成功利用Facebook平台的大型公司。虽然创新模式帮助Zynga 和Groupon获得了巨大的增长率,他们却找不到可以用来指引公众投资者的类似或可比公司。如果没有好的参照物,即使是最令人兴奋的公司,公众投资者对其估值也无所适从。结果就是,早期上市公司的估值乘数可能大起大落,直至其商业模式被证明行之有效。

    当然,并不是所有对处于上市前阶段的公司的晚期风投都表现不佳。虽然对Zynga和Groupon 的最后几轮风险投资不如人意,仍然有几家获得风投支持的新上市公司给出了良好的回报。

    比如,虽然在未上市前并没有获得风险投资界的狂热吹捧,点评网站Yelp (YELP), 商务社交网站LinkedIn (LNKD) 和Splunk (SPLK)的后期风投都有上佳表现。因此,风投和其它投资者在参与上市前的高价投资轮次时,需要考虑什么样的公司会在华尔街大卖,而不仅仅是在沙岭路(硅谷的一条公路,以风险投资公司聚集闻名——编者注)大卖。

    格伦•所罗门是纪源资本(GGV Capital)的合伙人,纪源资本是扩张阶段的风险投资公司,在加州门洛帕克和上海设有办事处。 他在www.sandhillrdmeetswallst.com撰写博客

  In 2010 and 2011, the four hottest pre-IPO Internet companies amongst venture capitalists were Facebook, Zynga, Groupon and Twitter – the "Four Horsemen" of the Internet, as they were commonly called. To wit, demand to get into the action on these four companies was so strong that venture capital firms starting doing things they hadn't done before – buying secondary stakes of common shares, paying multi-billion valuations and writing very large checks.

    With the successful IPO of Facebook (FB) now behind us, it's interesting to look at the performance of Zynga (ZNGA) and Groupon (GRPN), the other members of the Four Horsemen who are now public.

•     Zynga: After raising a fairly modest amount of cash in its first few venture rounds, Zynga's business caught fire. With tremendous revenue growth, its valuation soared and in 2010, Zynga raised approximately $300 million at approximately $6.44/share. In 2011, Zynga raised an additional $500 million at approximately $14/share. The investors in these rounds included venture capital funds, public funds, investment banks and strategic investors. Today, Zynga's public stock price sits at just over $7/share. This price clearly isn't what the investors in the '10 and '11 venture rounds were expecting. Basically $800 million has been invested with little or negative return.

•     Groupon: Groupon raised approximately $135 million in 2010 at approximately $2.70/share. Later, in 2011, Groupon raised the mother of all venture rounds - $950 million at just about $7.90/share. Today the stock is hovering between $11- 12/share, so the 2010 investors are sitting on a solid return but the investors in the 2011 round are below 1.5x. The lock up has yet to come off as well. If these investors look to rush for the exits and the share price softens, the returns on this huge round may end up even more paltry.

    Obviously Zynga and Groupon are amazing companies – they've invented markets, captured huge percentages of these markets and have grown revenues at phenomenal rates. Nonetheless, the last few rounds of venture investments haven't panned out as planned. Why not?

    1. Discounting Growth. VCs tend to get very focused on growth rates. The faster something is growing, the better. The really big venture returns have been made in companies that got very large, and unless a company is growing fast, it won't get large quickly. So, almost no price is too high for VCs when they see fast growth in a startup. Public investors love growth as well. But, because they see companies later in their lifecycles, they've been trained to expect growth rates of high fliers to taper over time as the law of large numbers kicks in. As a rule of thumb, public investors rarely pay higher multiples for a company growing 100% versus a company growing 50%, all else being equal. They expect growth to moderate and equal out over time, so they're just not willing to pay extra for extreme growth.
2. Profit Margin Picture. Most high growth companies aren't profitable early on, and without earnings, there isn't a P/E ratio to measure. In the absence of a P/E, VCs tend to look at price to sales ratios. Public investors do this as well, and there is good evidence to suggest that public investors don't necessarily pay more for profitable companies early on. (See my previous post on profitable vs. unprofitable IPOs.) That said, eventually public investors want to see profits and, more specifically, they'll pay up for a company that can show profit margins expanding over time. Often it takes a while to prove that profit margins can expand, usually long after VCs are actively engaged with a company. Both Zynga and Groupon show certain forms of profitability, but margin expansion doesn't seem proven, so public investors have been less willing ascribe high prices to these companies.

    3. Proven versus Unproven Models. Often times, the fastest growing VC-backed companies operate with new models. Groupon's approach is so new that it tried to invent a metric to help investors understand how it gauges results internally. Zynga is the first large company to leverage the Facebook platform successfully. While their innovative models helped catapult Zynga and Groupon's growth rates, these companies don't have analogous or comparable companies they can point public investors toward. In the absence of good comparable companies, public investors often become uncertain how to value even the most exciting companies. As a result, valuation multiples can swing wildly in the early days of a public company's life until models become more proven.

    Not all late VC rounds in pre-IPO companies under-perform. While Zynga and Groupon haven't been strong performers for the investors in the last rounds of venture capital in those companies, there are several newly public venture-backed companies that have delivered for their VCs.

    For example, the last VC rounds in Yelp (YELP), LinkedIn (LNKD) and Splunk (SPLK), although less heralded by VCs during their times as private companies, have all performed very well. VCs and other investors in high priced pre-IPO rounds need to think more about what will sell on Wall Street, not just on Sand Hill Road.

    Glenn Solomon is a partner with GGV Capital, an expansion stage venture capital firm with offices in Menlo Park and Shanghai. He blogs at www.sandhillrdmeetswallst.com.
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focus 金钱 +5 很高興你有空來了... 2012-05-31
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as predicted... oil is at its low, below $88./barrel,
sold some, met my target, took the profit.
i think it will drop lower...
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A生,還鐘意rim嗎?!
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很高興你有空來了...
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as predicted... oil is at its low, below $88./barrel,
sold some, met my target, took the profit.
i think it will drop lower...
......
A生,還鐘意rim嗎?!

認同你的看法,石油价雖低于$88, 但似乎還有向下降的趨勢......
至于RIM,就有窮途末路之感.....不過,曾几何时擁有它幾乎等于擁抱財富.......

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引用第333楼focus于2012-05-31 11:29发表的  :
很高興你有空來了...

呵呵,其實還很忙,每天待在公司七八點才返屋企.....
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引用第334楼Blink于2012-05-31 12:25发表的  :
認同你的看法,石油价雖低于$88, 但似乎還有向下降的趨勢......
至于RIM,就有窮途末路之感.....不過,曾几何时擁有它幾乎等于擁抱財富.......


Blink,
油價跌低于$88/桶,會繼續跌。依家恰看下跌穿
$85/,除歐中經濟放慢外,我怕最主要油量存貨多。
成為廿幾年最。不知如何用它。
。。。。
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開心星期五!
開心,因個市順我方向走!
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Blink 金钱 +3 Lucky you.....have a nice weekend! 2012-06-02
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引用第336楼focus于2012-06-01 19:32发表的  :
Blink,
油價跌低于$88/桶,會繼續跌。依家恰看下跌穿
$85/,除歐中經濟放慢外,我怕最主要油量存貨多。
成為廿幾年最好。不知如何用它。
.......

是,油價一度曾跌穿$83/桶......
focus是否已考虑上賊船?
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Lucky you.....have a nice weekend!
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轉: 欧债危机解药:选通胀,弃紧缩
From the U.S., the European debt crisis can seem like a black comedy populated by regional stereotypes: iron-fisted Anglo-Saxons, feckless Mediterraneans, and haughty Brussels bureaucrats. Closer to the action, it isn't funny at all. In the words of Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England, Europe is "tearing itself apart with no obvious solution."

    Pending the second Greek election on June 17, it is hard to make predictions. Many commentators see a Greek exit from the euro as the precursor to a broader breakup. In Brussels some EU veterans argue the opposite. They say that once the euro family has ejected Greece, which has always been a problem child, it will come closer together and forge ahead. Until now, my inclination has been that the Europeans would muddle through, with or without the Greeks. But for that to happen, the continent must find a way to kick-start growth.

    Austerity has failed miserably. Outside of Germany, the continent is mired in recession. In seeking to slash their way to a balanced budget, all too many countries have fallen victim to the vicious circle that Keynesian economists warned about: When government spending is cut, demand slumps, firms lay off more workers, unemployment increases, tax revenue falls, and the deficit remains stubbornly high.

    Many academic economists favor abandoning the euro (or restricting it to Germany and a few other core countries) because that would allow nations like Ireland and Portugal, and even Italy and Spain, to devalue their currencies and give their exporters a boost. That looks good on paper. But a disorderly breakup of the euro would create financial chaos. There would be bank runs, stock market collapses, more political instability, and quite possibly another global recession.

    A less drastic option would be a Europe-wide fiscal stimulus, with spending focused on the periphery countries. François Hollande, the new French President, supports the idea, and Angela Merkel, in an interview with CNBC, suggested she was open to it. But even if a stimulus program materialized, it would be modest and temporary. To really get Europe back on track, it would need to be combined with permanent debt write-offs designed to bring the financial burdens of the periphery countries down to more manageable levels.

    Debt remains at the root of the problem. If Greece's second bailout, which was agreed upon in March, had worked as planned, the country would have emerged with a debt-to-GDP ratio of more than 160%, and the interest on that debt would have consumed one in five tax dollars into the indefinite future. Ireland, which has done everything its debtors demanded, is in a similar bind. No wonder voters have tired of austerity.
If the German public won't countenance forgiving debtors, another solution will have to be found. The obvious one is printing money and inflating away some of the bad debt. In extending a trillion euros of cheap loans to troubled European banks earlier this year, the European Central Bank averted an immediate crisis. Now Mario Draghi, the ECB president and my pick for 2012's Person of the Year, needs to turn the money hose back on to douse the fire that will ensue if Greece crashes out of the euro and to tackle the broader debt problem. He could mimic the Fed and buy government bonds. He could resume his bank-lending program, which is an indirect form of quantitative easing. And he could issue loans to the EU bailout funds, which would use them to finance further debt restructurings. (For that to happen, the bailout funds would have to be granted a banking license.)

    Such policies, if they were adhered to, would eventually lead to a fall in the euro and a rise in inflation, which would be all to the good. History demonstrates that inflation, rather than austerity, is the best way to deal with a debt mountain.

在美国看来,欧债危机就像是由地域特色鲜明的老套人物扮演的一场荒诞喜剧:吝啬的盎格鲁撒克逊人、不负责任的地中海人以及盛气凌人的布鲁塞尔官僚。如果置身其中,这可一点也不好笑。用英格兰银行(Bank of England)行长默文•金恩的话讲,欧洲正在“分崩离析,看不到显而易见的解决方案”。

    由于6月17日的第二次希腊大选尚未进行,现在很难做出预测。很多评论人士认为,希腊退出欧元区将成为欧盟大范围瓦解的前奏。在布鲁塞尔,一些欧盟资深人士的看法则正好相反。他们认为,一旦欧元大家庭将总是惹事生非的坏小子希腊驱逐出去,欧元区将能更紧密地融合在一起,稳步前行。到现在为止,我倾向于认为不管希腊是否留下,欧洲人应该都能应付得过去。如果希腊退出,欧元区将必须想办法如何启动经济增长。

    紧缩政策已经一败涂地。除了德国,整个欧洲大陆已陷入衰退。为谋求预算平衡而大幅缩减开支,有太多国家卷入了凯恩斯主义经济学家警告的恶性循环:当政府缩减开支,需求出现下降,公司进行更多裁员,失业率上升,税收减少,而预算赤字却依然顽固地居高不下。

    很多学术派经济学家赞成放弃欧元(或将其改为仅由德国和欧洲其他核心经济体采用的货币),允许爱尔兰、葡萄牙、甚至意大利和西班牙将本国货币贬值,从而拉动出口。纸上谈兵的话,这个方案听起来还不错。但欧元区的无序瓦解将引发金融混乱,导致银行挤兑、股市崩盘、更多的政局动荡,并很可能引发新一轮的全球衰退。

    一个更温和的选择是全欧洲范围内的财政刺激措施,支出侧重外围成员国家。新任法国总统弗朗西斯•奥朗德支持这一想法。德国总理安格拉•默克尔在接受消费者新闻与商业频道(CNBC)电视采访时表示,她对此持开放态度。不过,即便实施刺激方案,效果可能也只是暂时的、有限的。要让欧洲重回增长通道,必须进行永久性的债务免除,将外围经济体的债务负担降至更可控的水平。

    债务仍是问题之源。如果3月份签署的第二轮希腊救助方案能按照计划,一步步实现,希腊原本应该已经走出困境——但当前希腊的债务/GDP比率仍超过160%,光是为这些债务支付利息就会消耗掉五分之一的税收收入,这种日子会持续多久仍未可知。完全按债权人要求来做的爱尔兰,情况也没好多少。难怪选民们已经对紧缩政策丧失了兴趣。
如果德国公众不支持免除债务,就需要另寻办法。最显而易见的就是印钞,通过通胀来化解部分坏账。今年早些时候,欧洲央行(European Central Bank)为陷入困境的众多欧洲银行提供了1万亿欧元的低息贷款,避免了一场迫在眉睫的危机。如今,欧洲央行行长马里奥•德拉吉(我心中的2012年度人物人选)需要再度打开资金龙头来灭火(确保即使希腊退出欧元区,也不会殃及整个欧元区),从而应对更大范围的债务问题。他可以效法美联储(Fed)购买公债;可以恢复央行对商业银行的低息贷款计划,作为间接的宽松货币政策;也可以为欧洲救助基金提供贷款,为进一步的债务重组提供资金(要做到这一点,救助基金必须要获得银行牌照。)

    这些政策如果得以贯彻,最终将导致欧元贬值、通胀上升,但这些都是有益的。历史证明,通胀(而不是紧缩)才是应对如山债务的最好办法。

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focus 金钱 +5 入了些油基金指數(介)油價星期五一跳。幾好。 找機會古出一些。 2012-07-01
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只看该作者 344楼 发表于: 2012-07-01
五窮六盡七翻身。。。哈哈。
扶搖直上,候著幾個月。想出擊了。
雖說幾時都有機會。但依家資訊快!
投資者一聽到乜,反應快。有時太過度。
看上星期五。一單歐洲會議有好决定啫,個市
剌激上揚。油價升$7.+/桶。
樂觀!
但仍潛伏太多危機了!
哈哈。危機中搵錢。





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